Thanks to the Thoro-graph form ratings I was able to make a $900 score with top figure Mr Charles paying $60 and the exacta with third rated horse Red Reddington paying $281. First four horses combined for a 2400$ superfecta that unfortunately didn\'t have. GOOD JOB BOYS. You are still the best
What is red bored ing.
It starts, I\'m sorry, but I believe you\'ve mistaken us for -
Hey, Big profit for a small investment. I guess I\'ll take it
I certainly learned it
The guy made a nice score using the product, and gave it a compliment.
Everyone needs to get over this red board crusade.
I am sorry I broke the protocol that of the asylum. I guess compliments are not welcome JB.
Are people really interested in reading thru a board that is cluttered with mundane \"I hit a big price\" redboards? What regular TG user hasn\'t had an experience like this on a somewhat regular basis?
This type of behavior should absolutely be discouraged and policed by the members of this community. Regular users already know TG is great. There is absolutely zero value brought to the board by posts like this, and boards that are cluttered with useless content get visited less (just try using the Rags board, as an example)
Here\'s a trivia question, which number is higher? The number of people who care to read about some random posters redboard after he hit a $60 horse or the number Monomoy Girl received in the Oaks?
Remember the first time you scored large utilizing the tool? Factoring the pattern, going over the numbers, factoring current form? Guessin it was pretty exciting. Maybe new users feel that same thrill.
It\'s nice to corroborate in a big race, say a triple crown race, by going on the record beforehand. Though folks aren\'t gonna do that for every race.
Looks like the man has been educated. Congrats to him...he been learned.
I am definitely not new to Thoro-graph. Ive been around the product since the early 90\'s.
If I go into a pool room I expect to play pool. If I go into a boiler room I expect too see a boiler room. So I figured a red board room was just that.
Never anything wrong with giving credit when credit is due. Try it boys.
As the recipient of the Derby RBOY award, I congratulate you on your win. Nothing wrong with posting positives and being thankful.
I was looking for the Beyer rule on when it is OK to exult after a score and came across this blog post.
http://blog.horseplayersassociation.org/2009/05/thin-veil-of-ignorance.html?m=1
\"Recently at a panel I was on, I spoke of a winner who was keeping track of his bets overseas, and how he was doing quite well. His blog is a hit. At the same conference, marketing was spoken about. A professional player who was there came up to me and said \"we don\'t need marketing, we need winners like the guy you showed. That will grow the game.\" \"
100% agreed. Seeing a friend of mines big score on the Derby years back is exactly what got me into wagering on the ponies.
A redboard is only of interest if you can claim some long term profitability with the angle. In which case you\'d be better off not mentioning it at all.
ðŸ˜, Crazy. All I am trying to do is compliment the thoro graph staff on their continued hard work and I get bombarded by a bunch of guys eating bon bons in their underwear watching Judge Judy.
Oh yea! Lol
....and living in their parents basement.
Good Luck,
Joe B.
TreadHead Wrote:
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> Are people really interested in reading thru a
> board that is cluttered with mundane \"I hit a big
> price\" redboards? What regular TG user hasn\'t had
> an experience like this on a somewhat regular
> basis?
>
> This type of behavior should absolutely be
> discouraged and policed by the members of this
> community. Regular users already know TG is
> great. There is absolutely zero value brought to
> the board by posts like this, and boards that are
> cluttered with useless content get visited less
> (just try using the Rags board, as an example)
>
> Here\'s a trivia question, which number is higher?
> The number of people who care to read about some
> random posters redboard after he hit a $60 horse
> or the number Monomoy Girl received in the Oaks?
Well then by this logic, you can spend the next 2 hours railing about the other useless posts on this forum. There are lots of them.
The guy also noted he hit it USING the product, so perhaps some folks may use the \"redboard\" room and learn something.
So to answer your trivia question, there may be more people than you think interested in the race. You may think its useless, others may not feel the same way.
Boscar Obarra Wrote:
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> A redboard is only of interest if you can claim
> some long term profitability with the angle. In
> which case you\'d be better off not mentioning it
> at all.
Can anyone claim anything is \"long term\" profitable when it comes to horse racing??
Learn from this? The one truly astonishing aspect of this is that there is a guy out there that have used TG since the 90\'s, that are betting off of form ratings.
I think it\'s due for another rap lyric:
Yo shawty I move lines cause I\'m a linemover,
I share it here cause I am desperate for n\' approver.
So stop it all along, with the bitchin and the hatin\'.
Let me get back to moving lines with TG\'s form rating.
Furious Pete Wrote:
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> Learn from this? The one truly astonishing aspect
> of this is that there is a guy out there that have
> used TG since the 90\'s, that are betting off of
> form ratings.
He meant the figures on the sheet, pretty clear to many of us.
The horse looked very good and paid $60. Its not a bad idea to go to the RB Room every once in awhile and review races.
The guy is excited about hitting a $60 horse and gave the product some credit. He\'s not the first person to do that here. Geezus, Arrest the guy.
Well there is a product offered on this site (and in the redboard room) called form ratings showing Mr. Charles on top, and Redboard Reddington as the 3rd choice, so that is not so obvious to me at least. Obviously I\'m only kidding with the rest, and I agree that this redboarding issue is getting boring. It\'s just that form ratings redboarding. That is spectacular.
Geez just move on.
The Drama here.
Housewives of TG
Nice hit. I\'m glad you were able to use the product and make some money.
I kind of flamed this thread with the challenge to share more of your scores using TG, in particular wagering concepts, so I agree with several posters in the thread. I love to hear your winnings, your wagers. The name of the board implies discussing past events. I can imagine each of us has left the track or living room downs on days where you look at your use of TG and say to yourself \"how did I not crush this card today?\". Before TG, I spent many years with the Sartin crew. Day after day, including seminar days lead by Doc, the vast majority of the crew would head to the bus with comments like \"I had 7 winners, but lost money on the day\". They were big on dutching wagers, but they had a plan. I\'ve sat with PDub and several other TG\'rs at Saratoga and left the track with similar lament. As JB and Rocky have pointed out, the game is about having an edge and an advantage number wise/odds wise, thus one reason to use TG. But, as Jeremy Plonk pointed out yesterday on Byk\'s show, that brings us to our wagering strategy for the day/strategy to maximize the use of the product. There is no place to learn that. I know it is kind of like leaching/learning jazz, or art, as there are not always finite answers. But if we can\'t learn it here through what should be some of the best handicappers in the game, then where is the newcomer, or the veteran to turn? It seems using TG can be a bit like coaching the Green Bay Packers - you have arguably the top weapon in the game in Aaron Rogers (TG numbers for us). But, your defense(wager construction) is so terrible that you never win as often as you should. Just like that game where offense & defense are each half of games outcome, (I know one side of the ball can win there once in a while just like the fastest horse can win here, but over the long run you need both sides of the ball) for us, the TG numbers are only half of the equation, with wager construction being the other(and I would say more important) half. And for the most part it has few ways to learn. I might suggest to TG Jeff, that while the NYRA bets offers are awesome, maybe a promotion of a wager construction type forum for this board might even be more valuable. Players that win, play more. And to win, most need that wager construction half of the game. If a person does not wish to follow that, so be it -- stay on this \"reboard\" room. But for those looking to maximize our Aaron Rodgers advantage with TG, we need more help from the defense, our wager construction.
Wager construction has been the most frustrating for me, so I\'m all for a wager strategy section. Defense wins championships.
Ask Benter
I doubt very many that post on here are using the complex computer systems that Benter used/uses (or any other syndicate).
Handicapping is offense. Handicapping is defense.\"Ticket construction\" is talk radio.
A good friend of mine used to say: \"This is a very simple game. You throw the ball. You catch the ball. You hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes it rains.\"
Think about that for a while.
Rich Curtis Wrote:
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> Handicapping is offense. Handicapping is
> defense.\"Ticket construction\" is talk radio.
You couldn\'t be more wrong.
P-Dub Wrote:
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> The guy made a nice score using the product, and
> gave it a compliment.
>
> Everyone needs to get over this red board crusade.
I\'m kinda here.. I really don\'t care if anyone is tooting their own horn. He\'s excited to make a huge score and Thorograph benefits. We can look at the sheets in the Redboard room and see if we came to the same conclusion. Either way, Thorograph wins.
Except for a handful of regulars, this forum is pretty much dead outside of Triple Crown/Breeders Cup season. We shouldn\'t be running off noobs who don\'t know \"protocol\".
Personally, I like seeing these posts, even when I\'m getting stomped (I got demolished on Derby day). At least someone is winning.
P-Dub:
Take a look at this from Banditbeau\'s post:
\"you have arguably the top weapon in the game in Aaron Rogers (TG numbers for us). But, your defense(wager construction) is so terrible that you never win as often as you should.\"
Then take a look at this from Banditbeau:
\"Before TG, I spent many years with the Sartin crew. Day after day, including seminar days lead by Doc, the vast majority of the crew would head to the bus with comments like \"I had 7 winners, but lost money on the day\". They were big on dutching wagers, but they had a plan.\"
Now this stuff is obviously well-intentioned, but does any of it strike you as a little off? As if possibly the definitions of \"handicapping\" and \"ticket construction\" are being conflated in a manner that flatters the handicapper by filing his failures in the \"bad ticket construction\" pile?
Rich Curtis Wrote:
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> P-Dub:
>
> Take a look at this from Banditbeau\'s post:
>
> \"you have arguably the top weapon in the game in
> Aaron Rogers (TG numbers for us). But, your
> defense(wager construction) is so terrible that
> you never win as often as you should.\"
>
> Then take a look at this from Banditbeau:
>
> \"Before TG, I spent many years with the Sartin
> crew. Day after day, including seminar days lead
> by Doc, the vast majority of the crew would head
> to the bus with comments like \"I had 7 winners,
> but lost money on the day\". They were big on
> dutching wagers, but they had a plan.\"
>
> Now this stuff is obviously well-intentioned, but
> does any of it strike you as a little off? As if
> possibly the definitions of \"handicapping\" and
> \"ticket construction\" are being conflated in a
> manner that flatters the handicapper by filing his
> failures in the \"bad ticket construction\" pile?
Rich,
I can\'t disagree with this. I think using horses properly with regards to \"bet construction\" is a part of handicapping.
For me, when I say \"bet construction\" is more important...it apllies when I have all of the right horses, yet I can\'t cash a meaningful ticket. Last weekend\'s Oaks and Derby a prime example. The seminar practically handed you the trifecta in each race, which in turn made the super \"gettable\" with the right ticket. Size of bankroll also plays a large factor in this, as the larger the bankroll the more creative you can get.
My downfall was stubbornly not playing the 2 favorites on top of supers, trying to beat them...even though both winners were anything but bad favorites. They were just underlays compared to the competition.....and one can say that is part of the handicapping process with regards to how you used them.
Your point is a valid one, appreciate you making me look at this in a different light.
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