Surprised nobody is talking about this on here. The horse is clearly in pain. I don’t think we all have to trust Bafferts explanation.
https://cnvid.net/video/kentucky-derby-2018-justify-morning-after-derby-VYybJiudbEc.html
As most everyone probably knows at this point, Justify has a skin condition known
as \"scratches\"
https://www.doctorramey.com/scratches-etc/
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/musculoskeletal-system/lameness-in-horses/scratches-in-horses
Will he miss training? Will some of the Derby participants who originally opted
out of the Preakness be emboldened by this seemingly minor injury?
Ah, the drama.
Richie, are you going solely based on what Baffert said or do you have personal knowledge of the horses condition?
Bore In & Out in Santa Anita Derby.
Baffert states while holding the horse \"He came out of the Derby really well\". (Swore, earlier, heard in \"great shape\"). Is this how he walked before the race with \"scratches\", a skin condition? Other reports are saying he\'s \"Scratched\" due to lack of better wording to have \"run down\" on the wet track. Baffert is reported to have said that half the field will have problems of some sort after that race, which tends to rule out a previous skin condition. Interesting defensive statement don\'t you think?...\"Other\'s have problems too\".
He\'s certainly favoring it. Don\'t think this is a skin condition. When a horse carries it weight incorrectly, even for short times, it increases the risk of illness to the 3 hooves bearing the weight of 4.
Its really an issue of aggregating circumstances. \"Late\" to the races. Bearing Off in the Santa Anita Derby, Strict Race Schedule now and while the horse is clearly favoring, Baffert stating, \"He came out of the race really well.\"...really? Consider Bafferts demeanor. How jovial is he?
I’ll go on what the 5 time Derby winner says.
Because winning the derby 5 times makes him......honest!
LOL...some of you crack me up.
I’m not saying he’s lying...but he also has every reason not to tell the whole truth. Have you seen the PETA press release yet.
https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/peta-calls-for-investigation-into-justifys-apparent-lameness/
Advance this youtube to about the 7:50 mark, (Post Santa Anita Derby) and watch the animal\'s rear left. What do you think?
Santa Anita Derby Walk to Winners Circle (https://cnvid.net/video/kentucky-derby-2018-justify-gB7FQPkroMQ.html)
PETA the Alex Jones of Animal rights.
Furthermore you trying take convince me or yourself?
For all you PETA folks
https://mobile.twitter.com/zoecadman/status/993890660565463041
maybe...but that\'s not even Bafferts tweet. Is that someone that hates Peta, because some do?
who\'s vet? for that matter, why did Baffert feel the need to have Justify checked out? He knows right?
the horse was clearly off, does a tweet carry enough weight to dismiss what we\'ve seen? Including the hitch in the giddy up after the SA Derby?
how persuasive is a tweet? is anyone else kinda fed up with unilateral tweets that leave no opportunity for questioning?
lets say you wanted to attempt to influence with a tweet like someone else has been attempting, perhaps in both cases its to project something that isn\'t exactly as tweeted with the hopes of limiting one\'s \"exposure\".
Just how bad are you looking forward to riding a 1-5 to 1-9 horse? Most here will urge you on, but its your choice.
you\'ve suckered some on that. One would expect you\'d at least come up with a relevant source.
Oh the ol Russian bot theory?
Or was it
Professor Plum in the library with the lead pipe?
hmmmm
when you learn your lessons from this...be sure to right them down as rules for future conduct.
I think you can trust his and the owners\' lust for money, at least. The horse is worth a great deal of money whether he starts in the Preakness or not. If the horse breaks his leg in the Preakness, he is worth.... significantly less!
Future conduct?
I’m sorry was I suppose to raise my hand first?
APNY:
The closest I have ever been to this horse is the 700 or so miles between New York
City and Louisville. His condition, a skin condition which goes by many names (see
attachments in original post), has been reported on extensively in BloodHorse,
Paulick Report and DRF. I do not know if Justify will miss any training. I do not
know of any other lameness problems he may have.
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/triple-crown/commission-vet-no-evidence-of-scratches-on-justify-tuesday-colt-recovering-from-bruise/
So it went from hoof rash to a bruise
Bottom line is he is not lame.
Now if he doesn’t get into the starting gate I will change my tone.
Moving on
This is a valid post......thanx Frank D, always appreciate your input.
Johnny, not gonna dissuade you from sending it in at likely 2-5 or worse, but really?...really?
He bruised in the SA Derby then as well. Per some eyes. (God this is difficult)
He could run through it. It could be something tolerable, after all he won the Kentucky Derby with it, though not on 2 weeks rest.
Why don\'t we view his Preakness gallops. what do you say?
Justify will be the huge favorite, so the smart money is probably to pass. But with the thing with the foot now seeming to be a bruised hoof...
Quip will get some action, but I think Bravazo has a chance. If you draw a line through his last prep - where he fought the jock for no apparent reason - he has an improving line ending in something around a 1 or so (maybe a bit better). He couldn\'t get the 10F, but he got to the 16th pole just fine. The Derby was his first real race since February, so maybe he needed one.
And he will be a price.
There aren’t too many horse trainers I’d trust to tell the truth and Baffert isn’t one of them.
As I said if he doesn’t make it to the gate I will stand corrected would not be the first nor the last time I’m sure.
Back on the track
https://mobile.twitter.com/BH_AHughes/status/994541497663082497/video/1
Looky dere! He\'s a machine!
Dang, lets get \"in\" before the world realizes he\'s good to go! If we can key this horse on top, we can score the exotics and takes all da monies from da sheets playas!
If we can get 2-5 its stealin baby! We mega cappers that can skim offena sure thing are so smartenly!
Sincere Apologies
Though favoring the left rear, that horse is not Justify. Misled by the narrator.
The horse is wearing Blinkers and there is no nose blaze.
Thus Justify\'s bruised heel, until determined otherwise, is restricted to the Kentucky Derby.
T Severini Wrote:
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> Advance this youtube to about the 7:50 mark, (Post
> Santa Anita Derby) and watch the animal\'s rear
> left. What do you think?
>
> Santa Anita Derby Walk to Winners Circle
I have no idea what that message means.
IMO their was a very quick rush of judgement bringing unnecessary Drama to this forum that doesn’t need to be.
“Housewives of TGâ€
Gambling aside, Is it so hard to just appreciate a horse that is re writing the history books?
With Bolt Running do you give him another shot? Loved him and he looked like he got shot at one point.
Thank you for clearing that up. No problem, as it has been recently revealed that Fake new is not counterfeit but rather words one does not understand or fancy.
I remain gullible.
T Severini Wrote:
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> Looky dere! He\'s a machine!
>
> Dang, lets get \"in\" before the world realizes he\'s
> good to go! If we can key this horse on top, we
> can score the exotics and takes all da monies from
> da sheets playas!
>
> If we can get 2-5 its stealin baby! We mega
> cappers that can skim offena sure thing are so
> smartenly!
Hey Chuck, can you put this type of stuff somewhere else?
Maybe a Blog, Twitter, whatever.
I know you love to hear yourself write, but this is truly awful....even for you.
Chuckles,
Christian announced a youtube channel today via Twitter. Time for a \"new voice on the interwebs\" he wrote. Maybe you could be the first clown on his show. I think you would fit right in with his \"depth, truth, perspective, and edge\" over there.
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming..... several observations on the whole sorted lame affair.
Baffert is historically known for not arriving to the barn at the crack of dawn.
As the post race presser wrapped up a few journalists came up and asked what time they should show up on Sunday, 8 am was the response. Most likely he gave instructions to not take the horse out until he arrived. He gets there just before and takes the horse out of his stall for the first time, gives him a few circuits inside the barn then steps outside to show him off.
Let me regress back to a similar Sunday morning in 1987, the setting - Monmouth Park backstretch barn number 1. I was a young groom of the first Crafty Prospector 2yr old run and trained by her breeder that had just broken her maiden at 4 to 1 first asking the day before. Full of joy and cash (what is the statue of limitations on red boarding?) I was out on the town with our exercise rider until early morning. Seeing that Sunday was normally a walk the shredrow day for our barn we hoped to arrive before the trainer showed up. Lo and behold when we pulled up, they had the filly already out of the stall bandages off and jogging on the concrete to see how she came out of the race. In our case fine and luckily the tardiness was overlooked.
So Baffert was more than embarrassed, caught unawares and scrambling for the right words for which there were none except scratches????
One trick of the trade that our exercise rider learned (a former one-eyed jocky from Belize I kid you not and a top-notch horseman) was to cut a circular section of a beer can and place it over a pad on a horses\' heel before applying the rundown bandages. He used it on those prone to running down (burning heels) even through the standard gauze wrap or for off tracks which often burned through like a warm knife cutting butter. He just said never tell the trainer who wouldn\'t approve of such gypsy methods but it worked like a charm. A suggested change of equipment for Justify: \"beer cans on\", even a 5 time Derby winning trainer can improve his craft!
http://www.belizeanjourneys.com/features/horse_race/newsletter.html
check out the slideshow at the bottom
Seems to be a non issue. Not even sure yet he\'ll get into the race. Hoof conditions can be chronic and evasive to cure. But as pertains to the posts in question,
One is eager to get him into the race to bet him at 2-5, (Odds went up due to the bruise.)
or
One is hopeful he won\'t get into the race and make it unplayable
or
One is eager to get him into the race to beat him.
Its the initial reason for the poster.
If one thinks that post was offensive, (To make fun of chasing odds on, especially odds on with defined issues, both physical and otherwise), its a good thing the offended don\'t have a grasp yet of where this may be going. Let\'s see if he gets in.
T Severini Wrote:
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> Seems to be a non issue. Not even sure yet he\'ll
> get into the race. Hoof conditions can be chronic
> and evasive to cure. But as pertains to the posts
> in question,
>
> One is eager to get him into the race to bet him
> at 2-5, (Odds went up due to the bruise.)
>
> or
>
> One is hopeful he won\'t get into the race and make
> it unplayable
>
> or
>
> One is eager to get him into the race to beat
> him.
>
> Its the initial reason for the poster.
>
> If one thinks that post was offensive, (To make
> fun of chasing odds on, especially odds on with
> defined issues, both physical and otherwise), its
> a good thing the offended don\'t have a grasp yet
> of where this may be going. Let\'s see if he gets
> in.
The post wasn’t offensive..... and who in the hell said they were going to bet a 2/5 Shot??
Trust me, I have a firm grasp of the situation.
It was just lame...... no pun intended.