This was a tough decision, but Airnate, besides making a lifetime (and
hopefully life changing, in a good way, score)(congrats by the way), is this
year\'s Kentucky Derby sponsored by ---- (fill in the blank, I can\'t keep up)
winning TG Board Redboard. The prize as always is lifetime free admission to
Saratoga TG seminars.
(Of course you are now eligible for the TG Redboard Hall of Fame, the only
member of which is a very good natured fellow who will go unnamed, who once
redboarded a winner at one of the Ohio leaky roof tracks that paid what? over
$400 to win).
Nate, Old Buddy, you had a perfect opening to share your good news. T Severini,
AKA Chuckles the Clown (and I suspect AKA Q. Anon) started a thread that was
titled \"How Did You Do?\". You could have just stated \"I hit the Super twice\" or
\"I had the super for 40K on an approx $1100 investment\" (congrats again).
But Nooooo. You had to start your post with \"I hate redboarding, but...\". You
really put the bee in Richibee\'s bonnet by following that with the statement
that \"you posted your opinion before the race on another board.\" And you hit
the trifecta by \"thanking\" TG, a gesture which I have always likened to the
scene in Animal House where a teenager, lying in bed with what Lenny Bruce
called a \"stroke book\", thanks God after a half clad woman flies through his
window and ends up in his lap.
But you needed all three components of an obnoxious redboard (\"I hate to
redboard\"/\"I posted elsewhere\"/\"Thanks TG\") to take this year\'s honors. You had
stiff competition from \"The Big Five\", who topped off a week of unimaginative
and ill informed trolling with a redboard which would be much easier to stomach
if any of The Big Five\'s posts lead one to believe that TB5 has enough smarts
to construct a trifecta, no less a superfecta.
Message to DSnipes: If I am one of the \"pretentious dicks\" (a reference to my
first name?) you were referring to, let me say that I am glad you took my \"self
starter\" dig in the honest spirit (it was an insult) in which it was delivered.
Let me also in a pretentious way note that your Twitter page would be more
professional if you used the words \"personal injury\" (much greater scope than
\"automobile injuries\") and \"wrongful death\" (sounds much more polished than
\"deaths anywhere in Kentucky.\")
As to devoting the TG board almost exclusively to Thoro patterns and pattern
analysis, even our host would be bored to Ketel laced tears. From your post it
appears to me that you would prefer a runner with the prettiest pattern to a
runner with the fastest number? (admittedly you would get higher payoffs
utilizing this methodology). The weaknesses of Thoro Patterns have been
discussed extensively here and at Saratoga seminars.
At the zenith of this board, most of the issues horseplayers encounter on a
daily basis (i.e, illegal meds, insufficient information provided to
horseplayers, shoddy treatment of horseplayers by racetracks, OTBs, and ITWs)
were discussed here, and the discussions sometimes involved industry insiders.
Very good conversations were conducted elsewhere (not here as far as I recall)
about the correlation between the qualifying points system and the fact that
recent Derby results have been very chalky.
And while I am taking thinly veiled shots at the board, where were all of our
weather experts this year? Could it be that even professional meteorologists
were badly fooled?
Further notes: To the fellow who PTP\'d me curious as to my Derby Day lock: Twas
River Boyne at ML of 6/1 on firm ground; at 5/2 on a bog, I ended up spreading
madly in that race, not including in my wager Pletcher\'s Maraud. (Redboard
Alert) Having Buyer\'s remorse on leaving TAP out, I made a token win wager on
Maraud, my only winning wager on Derby Day.
Note to Fairmount regarding Belmont Day: There is a zero (0) percent chance I
will be at the Belmont if a Triple Crown is on the line; 10% chance I will be
at Belmont if Justify loses or does not compete in the Preakness.
Note on Justify: He has been called a \"generational horse\" or the \"horse of a
generation\" after all of four starts. My qualifications for a generational
horse remain the same, knowing all the while I may never see another one: a
winner of a significant Grade I against 3YOs, a win against his elders as a
3YO, a few good victories as an older (4YO and up) runner, followed by a decent
career in the breeding shed.
Final final word: The most important pattern in wagering on the Derby: The
Sinatra theory as applied to TAP-- he came in with the winners of the Fla
Derby, The Wood, the Louisiana Derby and the Arkansas Derby; Audible was a well
beaten third. So while I was wrong to toss Justify, I was rather correct in
tossing the TAPs based on the \"Riding high in April, shot down in May\" theorem.
Bring it on, haters....
Classic Richiebee
Well done.
These years where Pletcher rounds up all the Derby Preps makes one scratch one\'s head. It just hard to fathom. In the Derby though, starters to winners is something of a comedy. Though this year he certainly drew badly on the slop. Still studying the track, but I believe Audible ran the right part of the strip late.
Strongly suspect Pletcher\'s top horses would never get the Grade I\'s with another trainer, though wouldn\'t you love the opportunity to direct his clients to trainers with a foundation of their own?
Have gotten over it to where I\'ll bet him in the right circumstances, but that year at Saratoga where his stable came down with multiple Grade I fatal intestinal illnesses to the exclusion of all other stables was too much for me. It\'s just a shame.
You kids get off my lawn!! (Or stoop, in Manhattan).
Mooseâ€" yeah, that’s about right.
Chucklesâ€" see if you can go 3 straight posts without using the words I or me.
That\'s gonna be difficult.
That counts as one, but was very hard to do.
Three right?....then back to normal?
TGJB Wrote:
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> You kids get off my lawn!! (Or stoop, in
> Manhattan).
>
> Mooseâ€" yeah, that’s about right.
>
> Chucklesâ€" see if you can go 3 straight posts
> without using the words I or me.
Richiebee,
I really hate redboarding but....
I predicted this thread earlier today but it was via text to another TG poster who has been known to predict the weather from time to time. I can send you the screenshot if that works!!! Or maybe he can tell you that I told him??? I\'m sure we can get this claified so that this won\'t count as a redboard. I actually said it would be a real \"zinger.\"
I really want to Thank you and the TG board for the chance to be a NostraTG on this issue. I predicted a negative 4 post by you after a long layoff.
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You never disappoint in the longer posts! Still laughing.......
Fairly certain this is the same meteorological TG poster who sent me an early
morning text alerting me that someone called me \"pretentious\', probably not
knowing that I consider that a bit of a compliment. Must be a NYC thing?
No clue who that non-pretentious dick could ðŸ
Neg 4 with a strong insider bias, I guess.
Richie, you’re to be commended. Determining the best of such a contentious field is the comparable inverse of making the call on Shakespeare’s best work, not simply because the field is so tightly bunched, but because you actually have to read them all to award Best of Show.
Spectacular coverage from start to finish but you let that SOB with the $416 horse at Mahoning between Christmas and New Years Eve off easy! I hear he feels safe enough to possibly attend the first weekend seminar. Maybe also for The Test of The Champion prior to Saratoga as The Shermanater has leaked out the Justify is lame.
Fairmount;
Can you give me a loose estimate as to the percentage of the phone call/text predictions you give and receive that end up being posted on this board after the fact?
I think today\'s post was a first in that regard (phone predictions that end up on the board after the fact). So loosely,....about zero. But I tried to outline it in good fun in a way that would get me in to a future Winner\'s Category that \'bee outlined.
Thank you for the honor, LOL!
I completely understand that posting about a race after the fact is a sin on message boards (definitely this one), which is why I led with what I said. I guess that forming a strong opionion about a race and finally being right after multiple strikeouts drives a man to talk about his score. I was not trying to be obnoxious. I\'ve learned a lot from this site and message board and felt excited to share my story. Ive even changed my business cards to say \"Local Tout\" now.
I\'ve never been to the Spa but I\'d love to join and tell stories of my losses as well, I\'ll even wear a red shirt so everyone knows who I am.
-Nate
Nothing to be sheepish about. You posted in a string that might as well have been titled \"Redboard posts\". Those put off by such things, or unable to take them with a grain (shaker?) of salt, need not have clicked.
Also refreshing to see someone take some ribbing with sense of humor.
Nate:
I will second Ajkreider\'s sentiments and thank you for being a good sport, as
was Albatross upon receiving his Redboard Award. Of course, Albatross reminded
me of some of the back story on his award... he picked his $416 \"lock\" on a day
during the week when TG gives its annual holiday gift of free data; I have a
sneaking suspicion that these are the only terms (gratis) upon which Albatross
would have accessed the data for a leaky roof track in the dead of winter. But
Albatross and me are pals now and will probably meet one day at Monmouth,
likely colliding head on at full speed at the front gate on the day that sports gambling is legalized in NJ.
After your nifty score (congrats again) I would think you could set aside a few
quid for a Saratoga excursion (do it quick before Chris Kay and the
\"braintrust\" squeeze all the charm and tradition out of the place). A Spa trip
(at least to me) is a much wiser investment than a certificate of deposit, a
401K or a donation to Maria Borell\'s GoFundMe account.
Fairmount,
Thanks. I appreciated the humor (and the irony) in your first post. The only point I was trying to make is that redboarding is about selectivity every bit as much as it is about potential dishonesty.