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Title: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: FrankD. on December 27, 2017, 09:32:03 AM
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/people/hall-fame-trainer-jack-van-berg-dies/
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: Al Caught Up on December 27, 2017, 01:01:49 PM
Trivia Question (see if you can answer without Googling): Who was the post-time favorite for Alysheba\'s Derby?
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: Molesap on December 27, 2017, 01:32:46 PM
I think that Demon\'s Begone at 2/1 - bled that day, pulled up and finished last.
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: Al Caught Up on December 27, 2017, 01:37:43 PM
ding ding ding--the first of a couple Loblolly entries who failed to finish TC races as the favorite
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: TGAB on December 27, 2017, 01:40:25 PM
Winning Colors. Didn\'t see that.
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: Molesap on December 27, 2017, 03:16:47 PM
I believe that was back in the day when very few horses used Lasix and it was still illegal in NY. Wasn\'t Alysheba given a hard time initially as he raced with Lasix and most of the field did not.

If I remember correctly Demon\'s Begone was never the same - didn\'t he fail in some low level Derby after that as well?
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: Al Caught Up on December 27, 2017, 04:21:35 PM
I\'m not sure he ever won again, though I do remember he raced at 4. I know he ended up standing in Washington.

You\'re absolutely right about the Lasix knock against Alysheba.
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: FrankD. on December 27, 2017, 04:34:24 PM
He only received Lasix as a 3Yr old after throat surgery. He raced without it as a 4 yr old in 1988 and won a couple of races........






http://www.americanclassicpedigrees.com/alysheba.html
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: Fairmount1 on December 27, 2017, 05:27:09 PM
A quick search revealed Demon\'s Begone was a half brother to Pine Bluff (Preakness winner) and Angel Fever, the dam of Fusaichi Pegasus (Derby winner).  Quite the family!!  

No clue about Loblolly beyond an owner named John Ed Anthony.  More that I should know?  PM me if necessary.
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: Tavasco on December 27, 2017, 07:37:24 PM
Some added detail.

Link To Loblolly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loblolly_Stable)

Swept The Tables @ Oaklawn Park.

Link To Demons Begone (http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Results.cfm?type=Horse&refno=964161®istry=T&rbt=TB)

Probably an interesting story how an Arkansas outfit rose to the top echelon of Thoroughbred racing.
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: BB on December 27, 2017, 08:46:58 PM
Wasn\'t following racing in those days, but - on account of a weekly basketball game TGJB and I both played in - I do remember that Alysheba was the TG play in that Derby.

How ABC happened to have an Iso on the 8-1 winner is another 30-year-old story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Q5XeyJG9k
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: TGJB on December 27, 2017, 09:17:10 PM
That story being they had one camera left and someone asked me who to put it on. They got a tight shot on Alysheba almost going down and going on to win, the guy got an Emmy, and I got no credit.
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: magicnight on December 27, 2017, 09:57:33 PM
Yup. That\'s how I remember it.

The Iso really gets the stumble in a very impactful way. Sorry, don\'t post for ages and now you can\'t shut me up. Happy New Year all.
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: magicnight on December 27, 2017, 09:59:54 PM
And thanks to Paul for getting my old handle back. Thought it was lost to a defunct email account.
Title: Re: RIP Jack Van Berg
Post by: jerry on December 31, 2017, 07:51:40 AM
Bet Twice