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Title: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: JohnTChance on June 29, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
The following tweet by Ed DeRosa, Director of Marketing for Bloodstock Research, caught my eye recently. He tweeted:

Who is the greatest handicapper of all time?

Beyer
Crist
Pittsburgh Phil
Ragozin

He asked people to vote and over 600 respondents had made their choice. My reaction? First of all, it’s interesting that DeRosa chose Ragozin as a possibility and not our own boy, Jerry Brown. Overall though, the posed question is absurd. Any person voting is, of course, voting on notoriety and hearsay. In the words of former football coach Jim Mora: “You think you know, but you DON’T know…”

I used to bet at the track or simulcast restaurants with a gang of friends almost all the time. Those people may have sensed when I had a bad day and lost my shirt. But they also knew when I won three shirts or more. Possible clue: I’d pay for dinner and lap dances afterwards. Nowadays, I bet almost $1 million per year, almost all of it via online channels. Pretty much alone. In my own cyberspace world. Who knows whether I’m a genius or a dummy? No one! No one but me, that is.

The four possibilities DeRosa sights have certain reputations for sure. But the only way to answer DeRosa’s question is to consider the yearly betting printouts from online betting accounts. And that right there eliminates Pittsburgh Phil and Ragozin.
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: Rich Curtis on June 29, 2017, 12:23:07 PM
Come on, John. You know Eddie D from the Derby List. He does marketing now.

He knows these sorts of polls are total nonsense.

Seriously, there was once a question going around about who was the best \"finisher,\" and Eddie D got himself into trouble by giving as his answer the name of a famous porn star.
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: TGJB on June 29, 2017, 12:31:11 PM
You start with greatest handicappers, and we end up with lap dances and porn stars.

Greatest handicapper is probably plugged into a wall socket.
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: ajkreider on June 29, 2017, 12:32:05 PM
The best \"handicapper\" of all time is probably some unknown vet on the backstretch  of some podunk track.
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: belmont3 on June 29, 2017, 01:22:57 PM
Narrowed it down to 4:

Nathan Detroit
Mush
Charlie and Paulie (Pope of Greenwich Village fame)
Fat Tony Ciulla
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: jbelfior on June 29, 2017, 04:58:46 PM
\"They took my thumb Charlie.\"

any guesses as to who that Belmont winner may have been 😜ðŸ˜,

Good Luck,
Joe B
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: JohnTChance on June 29, 2017, 05:37:31 PM
I love Eddie D! Especially when he\'s a guest handicapper on the Churchill show.
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: Marlin on June 29, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Starry Hope was the name of the horse?  But ran second that day.
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: philywheel on June 30, 2017, 02:56:50 AM
yea he ran at Monmouth,But Charlie bet him to place
Philywheel

P.S. how much more money would we have in our pockets if we bet to place
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: atakante on June 30, 2017, 08:11:54 AM
How can you NOT be the GOAT with a name like Fat Tony Ciulla?  Don\'t know the guy but he has my vote :)
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: richiebee on June 30, 2017, 09:11:48 AM
Fat Tony was featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated on November 5, 1978.
An outstanding article--if you read it you will understand why Fat Tony enjoyed a bit of an edge.
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Post by: Topcat on July 01, 2017, 03:46:46 AM
Waking up dead on one of NJ\'s limited-access highways is no way to go through life, son.
Title: Re: "Greatest handicapper of all-time?" Huh?
Post by: holybull95 on July 01, 2017, 11:03:59 AM
This had to be the first simulcast race....Charlie and Paulie were at Monmouth but  the film of the race came from Tampa....(check the credits at the end of the film!)....I remember the locales inside the clubhouse since it hasn\'t changed much over the years....shout out to Johnny Cigar, Tommy Oil, Johnny Glue and Uncle Frank!!!