That\'s gotta be the most brutal beat in history.
Sek, are you saying you had the 6 in the nightcap?
I think he\'s saying that a 100/1 shot getting beat on the wire is brutal.
Could be wrong but I think one person had the 100-1 shot in the Pick 6.
jp702006 Wrote:
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> Sek, are you saying you had the 6 in the nightcap?
Hell no. I don\'t know if I would have wanted to be holding that ticket. That was devastating
hellersorr Wrote:
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> Could be wrong but I think one person had the
> 100-1 shot in the Pick 6.
Yep. One ticket to the 6 for $502k. Great ride by Mike to steal it.
Now this could be fun, because I\'m sure this board is full of the most epic, sickest, evilest bad bead stories there is.
What\'s your worst?
Mine is from 2012 and the Norwegian Derby Day of all things, and this race from the undercard was a wide open middle class handicap race on the turf with a full field going in. Now for God knows what reason I decided to play a tri and an exacta with one longshot over two outsiders, guess my opinion just wasn\'t very strong in the race and I was just killing time while trying to not lose too much money in the race. After all, it was the Derby day. \"Pass\" was no option.
Anyway, my opinion while not very strong - incidentally proved very, very accurate. The two horses I had used under \"Lazy Lord\", the name of the horse I had put on top, battled it out way in front while Lazy Lord was closing in on them, steadily, he was coming! One of the front horses had saved something though, and with a last, desperate surge he managed to put his head right next to Lazy Lord\'s when hitting the wire. Damn. It\'s so close that it could well be a dead heat, but my eyes are pretty well trained for judging these things and I thought I was beat with a nostril at max, that was my initial reaction. You can imagine the sensation I got when they to my surprise called up \"Lazy Lord\" as the winner, and the teenager apprentice jockey couldn\'t believe it himself. 1000/1! I got about 1000/1 on the trifecta, not to mention a very, very handsome exacta. It was my second largest win ever, by far.
But what happened?
Something that has left me paranoid for always and forever happened. To this day I always assume that a russian hacker or something like that will take away my winnings after a good day, and I am always pleasantly surprised when I actually get my money \"safely home\". I have watched every race in Scandinavia in the last 10 years, not to mention tens of thousands of races elsewhere, and I haven\'t seen this ever neither before or after again.
The payout took unusually long time, and I was getting worried. Was their an objection? What took so long? I looked at the track director that always interview the winners in the winning parade after the race, and he looked unusually concerned while mumbling something to another. This was the derby day after all - it should be smiles all around! The jockey looked appalled.
What the f*ck is going on???
Then they announced it. The winning rider on Lazy Lord had weighed in with 1,3 kg\'s underweight - and since the \"cutoff\" for disqualification was 1 kg (about 2 pounds) they had to reverse the finishing order. Lazy Lord wasn\'t disqualified, but placed 2nd.
Damn.. Wish I had boxed!!
Anyway, for this case I\'ve always found great relief in the Kool-Aide. After all, those 300 grams actually WERE the probable difference between placing 1st and 2nd in that race. Only fair that they reversed it.
What\'s funny is that I found out just this year that my little brother, whom I usually share all my thoughts and bets with but that for some reason we didn\'t keep track of each other that particular year - casually told me that he had played it the different way around!! The eventual winner before the eventual runner up in a straight exacta.
He was wise to wait five years to tell me that....
I hear it, I felt like throwing up just thinking of that guy. Honestly it looked like the 6 won from all the replays, at least to my eye. The feeling you have in the stretch and then the wait for the photo, then pure unencumbered misery, followed by a just at least a little bit of rage? There wouldn\'t be enough Whiskey in NJ to put that one to bed if it happened to me.
That was honestly as tough a beat as I\'ve ever seen across any spectrum when considering all the factors, one live ticket, 99-1 shot, $500K + on the line, your horse runs lights out in that spot, leads every step of the stretch, I never actually saw the photo that showed that the 3 got up? Did anyone else?
And what is the HOF\'er doing in a Maiden Special \"get out\" race anyway??
I\'d guess he won a decent amount nonetheless, though!
I don\'t have anything too bone crushing like that P6 yesterday. I also try to forget about it. Probably too many $2k-$4k just misses to even begin counting.
I did have a mountain of cash on Destin last year in the Belmont, that blew.
I remember a Laurel Park race from around 2008, where I would have a trio of 30-1s in a trifecta but the third one lost a head bob. Probably missed out on $8k-12k there?
Was alive for the Rainbow Six on mandatory payout day and had several in the last leg, the highest in the $25k area, but he didn\'t do much. Favorite ended up paying like $1200.
Another beat that stands out from that era is I just missed on a Twinspires Handicapping contest that would have sent me a free trip to Vegas and entry into the NHC that year. Last race of the contest it looked like I was home free in the race at Delta Downs and I got run down and lost a photo.
boardedup Wrote:
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> I hear it, I felt like throwing up just thinking
> of that guy. Honestly it looked like the 6 won
> from all the replays, at least to my eye. The
> feeling you have in the stretch and then the wait
> for the photo, then pure unencumbered misery,
> followed by a just at least a little bit of rage?
> There wouldn\'t be enough Whiskey in NJ to put that
> one to bed if it happened to me.
>
> That was honestly as tough a beat as I\'ve ever
> seen across any spectrum when considering all the
> factors, one live ticket, 99-1 shot, $500K + on
> the line, your horse runs lights out in that spot,
> leads every step of the stretch, I never
> actually saw the photo that showed that the 3 got
> up? Did anyone else?
>
> And what is the HOF\'er doing in a Maiden Special
> \"get out\" race anyway??
He wanted me to get out for the day, thanking me for my never ending support.
Had no idea about the P6 guy. Wow, brutal.
Serves him right for not including Mike.
That was definitely a bad beat for the lone ticket holder, however there is a lesson in this for the handicappers on this board. The 3 horse was one of the fastest horses in the race on thoro-graph. The trainer had very good stats dirt to turf and first time turf. Mike Smith stuck around to ride the final and as a bonus you were getting double digit odds. To my way of thinking, this is the kind of horse that we look for when using thoro-graph. I was lucky with the photo, it saved my pick 4 ticket. This is a horse however that we all should have had based on the data available.
Patrick
I can\'t remember any of the tough beats, though there have been many over forty years of pari- mutueling. I think being able to wake up the next day with tabula rasa is an important survival tool.
Now the BIG SCORES I remember nearly every detail, even years later. Anybody want
to hear about them? No? Good. I hope we all have better things to do.
A TG board \"lurker\" recorded a decent score yesterday and made the mistake of telling me about his good fortune. I am putting him on warning that I will be VERY THIRSTY next time I see him.
One word: Allumeuse !!
Wow that\'s impressive that you follow Scandinavian racing.
Who did you have in the big match race between Beowulf and Fenrir?
It was actually a three horse race where Leif Erikson was the third contender, I backed him.
He blew the turn and ended up nowhere.
one thing about bad beats, you forget about them in the 1st race the next day, Bad Beat for me, a DQ on a 17k pik six in the last leg ,lasted 10 mins and they took him down , horrible call ,he didnt deserve to be dq
philywheel
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> And what is the HOF\'er doing in a Maiden Special
> \"get out\" race anyway??
Boardit, have another drink of that NJ whiskey.
When a jockey or his/her agent commit to a mount, they have no real idea of where
said race will be on the card. Admittedly, many maiden races, due to field size, end up as the last race on a card.
When a rider gets dropped during a race early in the card, and limps into the paddock to ride a cheap horse or maiden in a later race, then you take notice.
I read or heard somewhere that there is no basis for this angle: the jock does not know where a race will be placed on the program when he takes the call.
I\'m sure you are correct, however having him as the pilot was just a bonus given the other data.
And by \"nowhere\" Pete means Greenland.
Bad beat in reverse. I bet a lumbering son of AP Indy at Hollywood Park 8 or 10 years ago, he was a horse with no early speed and a bit of a late kick, but was 0 for 6 lifetime or so. He turns for home, sixth of eight and closing, but way too far behind the leaders to make an impact. So the leader and his chaser are 10 lengths clear approaching the wire, and the leader breaks down and the chaser has to jump over him and the jockey falls off. My AP Indy colt lumbers up and \"wins\" at 20-1 or so. They had to put the lead horse down, sorry to say, I felt guilty a bit until they handed me all that money thru the betting window.
Good one Ace.. Makes me think of my first major score. I must have been either 18 or 19 and already knee deep in the game. It was on Preakness day, but I was at an OTB betting other tracks early in the afternoon. I believe it was at Delaware Park this happened. A horse got DQ\'d moving me into a $1800 trifecta. Up until that point I was betting no more than $12 a race, I think my biggest hit before that was for like $250. I think I blew most of those winnings on takeout food, but that hit got me hooked forever.
Me too Richie...me too!
I was actually referring to Vineland, as the legend has it he discovered after he was blown out of his course while attempting to go to Greenland.
But in case you were just trying to \"avoid a storm\" by pinpointing that it was not America but Greenland I meant - admittedly I do have a bit of a hard time figuring out what is and is not touchy subjects around here - then let me imitate my favorite TV-character of all time, Larry David:
\"Ooooooh one MUST not insult the sacred A-Mericaah, the sacred America must not be insulted, ooooh\". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQarM1sCw-0
(Just kidding, I love your country).
When I figure out what that means I\'ll have a witty retort.
Thanks for the info, I didn\'t realize Jockey\'s weren\'t aware of the order of the races on any given card. I guess my next question would be when is the actual race order decided upon?
boardedup Wrote:
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> Thanks for the info, I didn\'t realize Jockey\'s
> weren\'t aware of the order of the races on any
> given card. I guess my next question would be
> when is the actual race order decided upon?n
A condition book (which is available online at most racetrack websites in the \"Horseman\" section)(if the Racing Office at Mth is still next to the paddock anyone can get a hard copy) usually covers 3 to 4 weeks of racing. So it is conceivable that 3 weeks ago Carla Gaines told Mike Smith (or his agent if he has one) \"I\'m going to try that Mineshaft colt in a turf race that\'s in the book on May 27\". At that point Smith might commit to ride for Gaines.
Entries are of course taken three to four days prior to races being run, and only
then is the order of a days races determined.
Also found on the websites for most tracks in the \"Horseman\" section is a area which lists nominations/ past performances for upcoming stakes races, so one can get an idea, for example, of who is going to line up against the returning Songbird in the Ogden Phipps stakes on Belmont day.
Speaking of Belmont day, it is one of the four or five best days on the racing calendar. I can only hope that the conversation on the board focuses on the \"consonants\" (Facts, Statistics, Numbers, Patterns) rather than the \"vowels\" (Assertions, Anecdotes, Usupported Opinions). (This coming from a man who has here discussed covering his wife with schlag and has been known to discuss rock albums released well before many of you were born).
Also hoping T-Sev will return for the Belmont with his unique brand of \"Clown Computing\".