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Title: Oaks
Post by: P-Dub on May 05, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
Well you are certainly getting a good price on the Seminar horses.

Doesn\'t look like wide is the place to be on the main track, and closing from out there hasn\'t done too well. Rail looks like a good spot, the #5 came through earlier at a big price.

Closers are going to have to find a way to the rail and try and get through. It would be so perfect if you know who is the guy to do that.
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: sekrah on May 05, 2017, 03:12:51 PM
Just playing two exactas, 4-13 and 4-14.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: P-Dub on May 05, 2017, 03:17:39 PM
He didn\'t go inside, but Big Money Mike strikes again.

Thanks to JB and the greatest jockey of all time.

Geezus if Lockdown gets 2nd..........
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: Ace on May 05, 2017, 03:23:21 PM
Thanks TG! Great analysis- I hit the trifecta thanks to you.  Very nice payout
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: Deadrockstar on May 05, 2017, 03:30:47 PM
Ugh. Dime super was gettable, too....
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: TGJB on May 05, 2017, 03:32:57 PM
No it wasn\'t. Because they didn\'t have dime supers. Which I think cost me around 40k.
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: Tavasco on May 05, 2017, 03:35:02 PM
For the winners it will go down in history as a good analysis, three bounces and another terrific ride by Mike Smith.

For the losers it will be remembered as a race which had some terribly rides by jockeys that should know better.
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: johnnym on May 05, 2017, 04:03:08 PM
Nice call JB
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: justwin on May 05, 2017, 04:07:16 PM
excellent job. Unfortunately, I had Salty with Abel Tasman keyed in all triple spots. Salty had a rough trip, got bumped as she was making her move and had to come off the rail and out about 5 paths in the stretch.
I do have the double alive with McCracken.
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: SteveB on May 05, 2017, 05:02:35 PM
Looked at the chart for the race and the comment for Lockdown is \"nightmarish go - game\". First time I\'ve seen nightmarish in the short chart comment. Was it that bad?
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: boardedup on May 05, 2017, 05:10:30 PM
I know.. I really could have used Lockdown to finish second.  I thought it was going to happen to coming up the rail?  Kind of par for my day.  I did manage to cash a ticket there, not enough to get me over the idiocy of my betting in the turf sprint earlier though,

Big (for me) win bet on the 11 at 23-1, but somehow neglected to use him anywhere in my exacta (12 w/ 4,8) or tri (12 w/ 4,8 w/ 4,8)?  I literally had to go home for a race and cool off.... What put me over the top was the guy sitting in front of me turned around and put his hands around his eyes making \"goggles\' and goes \"what\'s the matter you forgot to put your mask on...your green mask!\"  then started howling at me like it was the funniest thing in the world, I was so tilted with my ticket creation at that point, his \"green mask\" was dangerously close to wearing a white russian..
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: jalt2 on May 05, 2017, 05:22:31 PM
Nothing new. Never been dime supers Derby weekend at the downs. Can you imagine the drunken idiots barking them out at the green telllers. Lines are bad enough to begin with. Yes, I realize they could make them available on ADW\'s.
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: TreadHead on May 05, 2017, 05:45:02 PM
My favorite part is 50ct tris but no50 ct supers.
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: jimbo66 on May 05, 2017, 06:27:18 PM
Tavasco

Horrendous ride by Paco - pushing and shoving down the backstretch after a 22.3 quarter.  Speed bias or not.

That said - zero excuse for Paradise Woods.   Finished 11 of 14.   Well behind Pacos horse who was pushing hard the entire way.

PW wasn\'t winning under any circumstances.  Pretty poor performance.

Mike smiths world, we are just living in it

Jim
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: bellsbendboy on May 05, 2017, 07:39:38 PM
Jimbo,

Appreciate your ubiquitous contributions here and glad you have pivoted to taking issues with pilots and there journeys rather than posters with their opinions.

In my opinion, your \"horrendous ride\" comment was sour grapes.  Unwarranted and factually false.

The race/ride was pretty clean for this filly.  Bumped mildly, MSW quickly achieves the garden spot, at the five eights her ears are pricked, the rein is loose and she is moving well.  

At the half the boy looks back, knowing he has his rival in front of him, beaten. Notes Farrell in third is spinning her wheels yet well clear of the others. Walks by the odds on favorite turning for home, opens up and stops immediately.

Post race, Paco said she didn\'t handle track which appeared the case.  Doubt you will find many that will agree with you calling the ride horrendous bbb
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: jimbo66 on May 05, 2017, 08:24:31 PM
Bellsbendboy,

I love your consistency, Consistently wrong about just about everything you post.

NO sour grapes here.  My thoughts on the Oaks are on this forum.  I used 13-14.  I was personally happy Paco pushed the pace.

I suggest a good learning experience for you would be to look at the fractions of the races all day long on the dirt.  22 and change for a 1 1/8 was horrible  

Jockeys have to have a clock.  There was no loose rein.  Paco was pushing and niggling on his mount in the first quarter and the half.  Not necessary.  

PW wasn\'t winning no matter what the pace was.  Hard to say what the result would have been if Paco hadn\'t unnecessarily pushed the pace.  

Jim
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: P-Dub on May 07, 2017, 04:21:22 PM
JB,
Once again your seminar was well worth the money.

For both races I keyed 2 horses up and down in the trifecta. AT and Lockdown in the Oaks, PJ and Mc in the Derby. Had decent exacta punches on both, thus the Lockdown comment for 2nd. My win bets were on AT and PJ.

Used the all button with the keys on top. Keys/Keys/All and Keys/All/Keys. I thought it was well worth the investment given the odds. I hammered The Wizards in Game 3 to give me a decent bankroll to play with. Played a bit bigger punch on the Oaks tri, I thought it was a stronger play than the Derby (thanks to the gentleman who gave me a little info regarding the Derby).

A very successful player told me long ago that constructing tickets is just as important as picking winners if not more so. Now hitting an all button isn\'t rocket science, but in a chaos setting (off track, favs look vulnerable, etc..) hitting all covers you when the horse you least expect to hit the board does just that. At the odds offered, and with the favorites vulnerable, it\'s not a bad idea at all, especially if you can key one horse at least.

A buddy of mine played a $1 tri going 8x8x8 that cost $336 and returned 8k plus. He didn\'t have a solid opinion on any horse in particular, but spread out using the ones he liked and hit it. Never occurred to me to try that.

I whiffed on the Derby, even with five $10 Oaks/Derby double tickets alive.

Red Board police put away your sirens. I used the seminar horses, and hit an all button. The horses to key were made quite clear.

Love your seminars, look forward to the next one. Maybe Belmont Day you\'ll have another.

Last thing, why aren\'t sheets included for the 3 stakes races on the seminar??
Title: Re: Oaks
Post by: paniolo on May 08, 2017, 01:26:27 AM
Paul, Nice work friend.