Songbird is 11 for 11 Lifetime. Never been tested in the final furlong. Beholder is 13 for 15 Lifetime at Santa Anita. A multiple champion. Stellar Wind is 4 for 5 at Santa Anita a Champion and has the fastest fig in the race.
Thanks to TG I\'m going in the Double. With the 5 and 8. Beholder got the draw they wanted. Similar trip to Pacific Classic. Mandela is unreal in these spots. Songbird will earn her greatness here.
me to in big pk 3\'s good luck , need 5 or 8
...also great to see Smith and Stevens still in the spotlight at this point in
their careers.
In the Juvie Filly Turf, quite a race by Lull, sans Lasix as Frank pointed
out, cutting a suicidal pace and staying for fourth.
Lets hope this race lives up to the hype.
I think that qualifies as Epic.
Greatest race I\'ve ever seen, surpasses the Zenyatta Classic at SA. Just spine tingling stuff. I\'m out of breath. Nice ovation from the crowd for both horses.
No doubt, an exciting race and thrilling stretch run.
Now, taking the cheerleader skirt and pom poms off, and putting an analyst hat on, Beholder was MUCH the best.
Songbird got to set a 23, 47, 1:11 pace, on a pretty fast track, alone on the lead, without an ounce of pressure. Beholder was at least 3.5 paths wide on the first turn, possibly 4, and then 3 paths wide on the second turn, as the Chatterbox horse was an equine barricade throughout the race, keeping Beholder wide.
And the old champ still got up on the wire.
If songbird couldn\'t beat her today, with those conditions, she wasn\'t going to beat her.
MAndella can have them ready on BC day, can\'t he?
Jim
Trakus said Beholder went 39 feet further IIRC.
Geezus Jimbo, relax
Paul,
Just stating that Beholder was the best today, by well more than a nose. And she was.
Old Man Mandella a helluva trainer.
No problem Jimbo, and no doubt agree.
Thought you were giving me a hard time for looking at it as just a great race to watch, irregardless of race dynamics etc..
Perhaps a little touchy after watching the late P3 flame out.
Beholder was phenomenal today and 100% the best horse.
Could be me on tilt Paul.
Was alive to some good scores in the late pick-3 as well. To 3456.
And thought I was home as the race developed...
Oh well. this game can be crual.
jimbo66 Wrote:
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> Could be me on tilt Paul.
>
> Was alive to some good scores in the late pick-3
> as well. To 3456.
>
> And thought I was home as the race developed...
>
> Oh well. this game can be crual.
We had the same ticket.
10 horses, if you gave me 8 of them I don\'t know if I have the winner.
jimbo66 Wrote:
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> No doubt, an exciting race and thrilling stretch
> run.
>
> Now, taking the cheerleader skirt and pom poms
> off, and putting an analyst hat on, Beholder was
> MUCH the best.
>
> Songbird got to set a 23, 47, 1:11 pace, on a
> pretty fast track, alone on the lead, without an
> ounce of pressure. Beholder was at least 3.5
> paths wide on the first turn, possibly 4, and then
> 3 paths wide on the second turn, as the Chatterbox
> horse was an equine barricade throughout the race,
> keeping Beholder wide.
>
> And the old champ still got up on the wire.
>
> If songbird couldn\'t beat her today, with those
> conditions, she wasn\'t going to beat her.
>
> MAndella can have them ready on BC day, can\'t he?
>
> Jim
Beholder was also giving Songbird 3 lbs.
Here is a question -- anybody know why in the Distaff, the weight disparity between 3yo and older is 3 lbs, but in the Classic it is 4 lbs? Does it have to do with the distance (9 furlongs versus 10 furlongs)? If yes, I have always just assumed 5 pounds equal one point regardless of the distance. Have I been mistaken? is 5 pounds worth more or less points depending on the distance.
P-Dub Wrote:
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> jimbo66 Wrote:
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> > Could be me on tilt Paul.
> >
> > Was alive to some good scores in the late
> pick-3
> > as well. To 3456.
> >
> > And thought I was home as the race developed...
> >
> > Oh well. this game can be crual.
>
>
> We had the same ticket.
>
> 10 horses, if you gave me 8 of them I don\'t know
> if I have the winner.
I was alive in the pick 4 to 7 horses in that last race....I thought it was open.....but not that open....alas, did not have the winner.....one of only 3 I tossed.
I just watched the replay back at the hotel. Collmus on the call.
That stretch call was begging for a memorable call, and Collmus butchered it. I\'ll give him credit for noticing the tardy start for Stellar Wind. He fumbled for words mid-stretch, and his voice shrieked at the finish. Just awful.
Wrona not much better, his stretch call lacked any real drama.
Where is Durkin when you need him? Trevor would have knocked it out too.
1,000,000 % agreed P Dub.
Wrona called the race like a nickel claimer at GG....but that has been standard with the foreign announcers we have. Got home to watch Colmus\' version on replay and was equally let down. Sometime it feels like Colmus doesnt have anything compelling to say so he just yells louder. Too over the top. It is sad that these calls will be the everlasting sound of such an all time great moment in our game.
I know Durkin set such a high bar, but man, can someone get even remotely close please?
I generally mute the race calls in NY these days, just to keep my sanity.
Surely you don\'t give extra credit for weight given when it\'s weight for age, do you? That ignores the maturity advantage an older horse has over a 3yo.
Normandy its an interesting point especially when the horse with the \"maturity
advantage\" is a 6YO who should be \"losing a step\", but obviously hasn\'t.
It\'s far from an exact science due to the varying sizes of the horses and their unknown weight carrying ability (some smaller horses are better weight carriers than larger), but I\'ve always believed there is a real maturity edge between 3 and older (looking back at the record, such as Slew losing to the older Affirmed, and Slew beating the younger Bid, etc). I handicap as such, and believed that Songbird would likely lose this race due to competitors of similar talent being in there who held that age advantage. I almost lost that bet (wow, what a race).
Your history is not an exact science either.
Rich Curtis Wrote:
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> Your history is not an exact science either.
Okie dokie. Thanks for playing.
Seattle Slew Triple Crown winner in 1977 beat Affirmed Triple Crown winner in 1978 in the 1978 Marlboro Cup. Slew beat Affirmed by 3 lengths going wire to wire. I was there. Exceller beat Slew in the Jockey Club Gold Cup that same year. Affirmed\'s saddle slipped. I was there for that one too.
\"such as Slew losing to the older Affirmed, and Slew beating the younger Bid, etc.\"
Plainly, you have examined this issue closely. What would your \"etc.\" bring? Dewey beating JFK?
Reagan/Mondale, of course.
Surely this isn\'t some new concept to you. It\'s the entire reason that weight for age exists.
The point he is making is that you got the ages wrong in your examples. Your not understanding the difference between the way we deal with weight (as opposed to say Timeform) is a separate issue.