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Title: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: plasticman on August 25, 2016, 08:54:13 AM
Controversy surrounding a race recently that wasn\'t a dead heat but the judges said it was. Supposedly the photo the judges have is of much higher resolution than what is shown to the public, this still doesn\'t explain why the line which is superimposed into the photo appears to overlap the outside runners nose. It seems pretty obvious to me that there\'s some part of the nose under the line while that\'s not true for the inside runner.
Title: Re: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: Boscar Obarra on August 25, 2016, 08:57:50 AM
I dont quite buy the resolution story, and if true, why dont they post it in all its glory.
Title: Re: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: jerry on August 25, 2016, 07:40:04 PM
Is this the race you\'re referring to?

https://www.dmtc.com/data/racing/photo-finishes/550.jpg
Title: Re: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: Boscar Obarra on August 25, 2016, 08:14:33 PM
I had already looked at that.

 There seems to be some artifacting around the lower horses upper head. No problem with that

  But I see , on the top horse, the \'background\' showing through, where on the bottom horse, you don\'t have that.

  If its a question of resolution, lets see the original, else , the only claim they have is that its so close we called it a dead heat out of fairness.
Title: Re: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: metroj on August 25, 2016, 08:55:15 PM
Hoof of the inside horse catches the line the same time that the nose of the outside horse does.
Title: Re: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: Boscar Obarra on August 25, 2016, 09:21:38 PM
A triple dead heat?
Title: Re: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: jerry on August 26, 2016, 06:45:11 AM
The California rule:

\"Duties of Placing Judges.

\"In placing the horses at the finish, the position of the horses noses only shall be considered and not any other part of the body.\"

There\'s a big blog about the incident here.

http://www.barntowire.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=ljlgd8ght5dqj1aqlgp2066j15&topic=76621.0
Title: Re: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: metroj on August 26, 2016, 08:18:51 AM
Thanks for the info, and the link.  Always assumed it was any part of the horse\'s body.
Title: Re: Del Mar 'dead heat'
Post by: Boscar Obarra on August 26, 2016, 08:26:16 AM
Tell you what I really think. This is something that happens once in 50,000 races, if that. So both horses got paid. It\'s not like they put up the WRONG winner.

 And the margin was what,a half inch?

 Do horseplayers really have so little to worry about  ,that they have time to anguish over this?