well, I looked at race, and hats off to anyone who bet the 7....I see a faster dirt horse and a better dirt sire....also looked at the analysis, and while the 7 was used, no win bet was recommended...in the 12th, I can clearly see TT looked much stronger on tg....I didnt get sheets for most grass races, but wish I used tg for the 12th...
As I already said, he didn\'t have to run his race on grass. But the point is, if he did (and there was nothing at all wrong with his pattern) he was one of the fastest in the race on TG, and dead awful on Jake-- super slow, terrible pattern.
Again, I used him in a 3 horse box. Find me one Jake guy who used him anywhere on a ticket.
havent seen them but sounds like he looked awful...and honestly, looking at tg, I would have had a hard time using him...if I purchased analysis I would have, if it was on dirt I would have...spreading in a pic 3, maybe....again, congrats....
I had him as the back end of a double and the middle of a tight pick 3 play, but didn\'t the race as a stand-alone, hated the second horse. Suspect grass rail situation may have helped both the top two.
Race 6 was asked about over there. Very politely.
It was greeted with:
- deletion
- posted again greeted with rude vulgarities
It was asked one more time to a someone named Charlieneb. He can\'t answer the question.
I guess when you can\'t answer something, you just get rude and vulgar.
They puff their chest about the Justin Squared race, comment after comment. This one? Silence. Its actually pretty funny.
Odds that it won\'t get answered? 99/1. Max odds allowed on the tote board.
\"Bud Sniff\" was a nice touch.
Thanks.
00 Dub - secret agent man.
Bud Sniff:
They claim that you got this one wrong, and nobody could have played the winner. Anyone care to comment? You\'ve talked about the Justin Squared race, how about this one?
Charlieneb:
Sniff this,azzhole....
Jake:
I sense desperation on your part. Next time you set up a fake account to post under maybe you can be a bit more creative. Very mature name as well. Almost 6 th grade level .Have a nice day !!
Bud Sniff:
Its not fake. Its on your board.
So you can\'t answer it either? Typical.
Bud Sniff:
Instead of answering the question, you talk about fake accounts and user names.
Anything to get away from the real issue. That you won\'t answer the question about race 6.
Why are you so afraid to discuss this race?
Cmon Jake or Charlie, don\'t be cowards. Answer the question.
jakeh
Both our names are out there. Cant say the same for you. Have a great day !!
End of strings. Bye
Bud Sniff
Paul
There.
Now answer
Bud Sniff
You are such a ---- coward. Taking the easy way out.
Now who\'s acting like a 6th grader? You, the guy that can\'t answer the question. Pussy.
JB:
I won\'t break my previous record for fastest account deletion, but I will tie my record for once again, asking a question that won\'t get answered.
Its a fair question, particularly in light of the chest thumping they did over being right about a 4/5 shot that you didn\'t like. Because as we all know, being wrong about playing against a 4/5 shot is pure bankroll destruction.
And they wonder why that board is a joke. Its a fraternity, admittance allowed only if you engage in like minded behavior. Critical thinking need not apply.
Desperation on my part? Pure comedy there. The desperation comes from trying anything and everything to avoid answering a simple question.
If you don\'t want this up here, then just delete it. I asked a fair question, they couldn\'t handle it. So shocking.
Frank D........you crack me up.
He never answered the question......and my deletion record still intact. This one took too long.
He admonished me for name calling, but had no problem with someone else calling me a-hole.
He did everything and anything to avoid the question. I asked politely, then pointedly, then lastly just called him out. He cowered.
Some clown named JR just responded to Jake...\"thank you\". Which in Rags-speak means, thank god we don\'t have to answer any more questions about our shitty figures.
How anyone takes that place seriously is amazing.
First round is on you come November, if you\'re heading out that way.
You need to come to Saratoga
Yeah 00 Dub & Uncle Bill, I\'ll have to play the straight guy with 2 Jerry Lewis\'s
I was being polite.
TGJB Wrote:
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> You need to come to Saratoga
Deal
You were the guy on the Rag board? Explain it to me. I responded to what you posted, now and before, you and Jake did not, and you\'ve never been disrespected here. You seem to think that therefore you\'re in the right in calling someone names, rather than it showing you up as gutless and two faced. Explain please, on your way out the door.
Wow, wow, wow. I didn\'t do any name calling. My posts were all fair on your board and on theirs. Please reread them.
Sorry. I think it\'s wo, wo, wo.
I also think you\'re confusing my comments with someone else\'s. I\'m impartial though I use your product for the most part. I really don\'t care about the animus between both parties. Actually, I think it\'s kind of juvenile.
Okay. I thought the \"polite\" thing was sarcastic.
I\'m trying to figure out what the \"controversy\" is over this race? I used TG as my only resource for the race and it seemed like the 7 was a must use? What am I missing?
From my notes for yesterday,
Off-PR-X (7*3, 5*2, 9*3) w/ the pair actually being a half or quarter point better than before if I\'m not mistaken?
Bounced off the big effort last time out but had ~month and a half off to freshen coming into this one. Also Had ran very well over track listed as \"gd\" in the past.
The only one entered in the race that had run a better number than the two back 5 1/2 was the 2, and he just moved from a 12-4, an 8 point new top. Huge chance of bouncing, imo.
The 7 was also getting weight from the 2 (2lbs)
The 3 looked tough if he moved forward off pairing 6\'s, and the 8- 3rd of form cycle had paired 12\'s so the assumed forward move still wouldn\'t be enough to beat the 7 or the 3 if one or both showed up and ran their race.
I had him as a must use at a price based on TG only, even if he ran a 7 (highly likely) there was a decent chance that would have been good enough. Many here are WAY \"sharper\" than myself, if I can find him not sure why anyone could take issue w/ TG for this race?
Or put another way, it\'s not possible to say anything other than TG sheets had this one looking like a very solid play especially when considering post time odds
That\'s not the controversy, those of us who used TG all agree the horse had to be used, and he was hopeless on Jake. But Jake let his guys discuss a race where a 4/5 shot looked better on their stuff, then wouldn\'t let posts stay up about the two races where we looked clearly better.
No. I don\'t have a dog in this fight.
They do edit their board pretty quickly. It does discourage any constructive conversation.
jerry Wrote:
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> Wow, wow, wow. I didn\'t do any name calling. My
> posts were all fair on your board and on theirs.
> Please reread them.
If you aren\'t charlieneb, Jakeh, or JR, then nothing was directed at you sir.
And just for the record, it\'s \"whoa\".
Let the figure maker without sin cast the first stone.
AAh Ok, my bad. I was going to say, that was one of the plays of the day (for me anyway) and btw thanks for that!
for the record who bets a 4/5 shot in that spot, let alone brags about it afterwords?? Especially after the 3 scratched? If that\'s what you\'re hanging your hat on after yesterday..I mean C\'mon
Regarding this particular sin, I\'m sin free. I haven\'t barred anyone for raising an issue or asking a question, I\'ve been willing to risk looking bad. Witness the fact I didn\'t excise the original post about the Baffert horse that started all this.
In the broader sense, \"without sin\" covers a lot of ground...
The mindset of those guys across the street is really interesting, they\'re the real kool-aide drinkers, and not because of sheet theory. For the dead enders who are left there it\'s a straight up cult, anyone who questions anything is a heretic.
They would be very surprised at the names of some of the people now looking at our stuff.
Now now, reasonableness not allowed.
Just once I would like to see the inmates take over the asylum, and ask them to show the sheets for the race on their board. The 3yo that won the grass race, reading back, was 16, 14, 14, with a 10 top at two. Seriously.
They had Takeover Target off three straight 8\'s. Second slowest grass top in the race.
Our stuff will be up in a couple of days. Already did Friday.
Do Chad Brown\'s even run 8\'s?
The only way I could see triple 8\'s is maybe not including ground loss into the number? Maybe?
That one seemed to keep solid company and win virtually every time ground was saved/didn\'t run wide.
Man, now you have me thinking, what kind of numbers did the rest of the field get in that case?? Tough to reconcile that for sure?
A Rag grass 8 is in the TG 4 area.
Mike,
Have you been smoking Rag grass with Bud Sniff?
That\'s still a pretty solid discrepancy, albeit not near as bad as I was thinking.
Frank,
No grass smoking since a teen and been Kool Aid free for over 20 years. All these arguments are going to be settled fairly soon at the windows.Exchange wagering has a shot to take off and provide opportunities for all to back their data with $$$...some players are going to get slaughtered.
Mike,
I thought you invented exchange wagering backing Messala at 3/5 over Judah Ben-Hur in 33 AD. :)
We\'re all moving to Jersey?
Friends are already there sharp shooting the soft money but not nearly enough pool depth/liquidity to make any real money.
If New Jersey survives,expect it to go national.Obviously,there are serious integrity issues. Already a report that a stable wanted to \"pull\" a horse and gamble against on the exchange.
Mike
miff Wrote:
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> Frank,
>
> No grass smoking since a teen and been Kool Aid
> free for over 20 years. All these arguments are
> going to be settled fairly soon at the
> windows.Exchange wagering has a shot to take off
> and provide opportunities for all to back their
> data with $$$...some players are going to get
> slaughtered.
Miff, sorry to butt in to you and Franks conversation but could you elaborate on this a little bit?
I live in NJ and honestly don\'t fully understand the whole exchange wagering platform-but I want to. I believe it just went live or is about to any day now. Any info you would be willing to share on this would be greatly appreciated.
Board,
A long explanation not for board. In brief,for example, a horse could be 2-1 on the board at Monmouth but say like 3-1 on the exchange. If you like that horse, you beat the price betting on the exchange. You could also bet that horse to lose(you book the horse) at a fixed price.
Check NJ Bets website where there may be a complete write up.
Exchange wagering is very interesting and will have many ways to play.
Mike
Possible to set up a shell address in New Jersey and get set up to bet from another state? Or are they requiring proof of residence?
You need to be connected to a Wi-Fi spot to use the exchange, they can track where you are through it and pull the plug if you aren\'t in NJ.
Hmm.... Doesn\'t sound like anything a proxy server couldn\'t solve.
I dunno Sekrah seems like there is a decent opportunity here. Buy a
downtrodden house somewhere in Camden, Newark or Trenton (shouldn\'t be hard to
find) and set up rooms for out of state gamblers who want to exchange wager in
NJ.
Just remember, if you are going to operate a boarding house, keep an eye out
for \"outside agitators\". Just ask Mr. Roper....