How could they Yakov up when be clearly came out 2 paths and clearly interfered with Clifton Pleasure? That was as obvious as it gets!
We just bought Clifton Pleasure for a partnership, so I\'m biased, but I\'m actually shocked they didn\'t take the winner down.
Horrendous call. Clearly came over 2 paths, clearly cost the 2nd place horse the win.
And the inquiry was actually decided VERY FAST, which means they barely deliberated it.
No idea why, no explanation given. One thing about California stewards, although I don\'t agree with many of their decisions, they announce after the race whether it was a unanimous call and what the thinking of the stewards was (why they made the decision).
Irad on the winner?
No clue.
Rob
Stewards inquiry and jockeys objection the #3 Yakov (Irad Ortiz Jr) drifts out inside the 3/16th pole while the #7 Clifton Pleasure (Manuel Franco)is running up and has to take up briefly and goes on to finish second. After reviewing the video and speaking to the riders involved in the judgment of the stewards this drift didn't alter the finish of the race the race is official as is. 3-7-8-6
With regard to interference, New York is a "Category 2" state, meaning that Commission rules provide that if the interferer is guilty of causing interference and such interference in the judgment of the Stewards has altered the finish of the race, then the interferer is placed behind the offended horse.
The Stewards consider whether the riders of the horse or horses that are offended continue to give effort to the finish of the race.
The Stewards also consider whether the offending jockey acted in a willful or careless manner while interfering with another horse or jockey, for which the interferer may be disqualified, i.e., placed last or unplaced in the order of finish. For example, if an offending jockey acts in a dangerous manner, exhibits extremely improper riding or impedes several horses, the Stewards may disqualify the offending horse without regard to the specific effect of the foul o
Stewards call for inquiry. Fouled horse finishes in DH for second, so any trouble had to be enough trouble. Desormeaux gave a ride that had to call into question his sobriety (starting on the rail he ends up in the middle of the track).....and the stewards take about 30 seconds to do nothing. I didn\'t see what happened at Aqu but maybe the Los Al stewards were trying to one up them?
My take: Desormeaux had straightened his horse out before there was contact. The other horse then came over on him and initiated the contact.
Mike
Thanks for the info. A sleepless night (again) over a bad result. The non-DQ cost me 3k.
Quick question - are you sure about NY being a state where the foul has to cost the victim a placing. I had always thought NY and California were different here. I thought california had rules where the infraction had to cost the victim a placing whereas in NY \"a foul is a foul\"
Not sure it is relevant to yesterday\'s race as the foul certainly cost the 7 the race, but it was t deemed a foul.
But would love to get clarification going forward.
Best
Rob
Rob,
What Mike posted was literally from the NYRA site. They have a Steward\'s Corner on their website with explanations for the inquiries and links to the specific rule under question. They have a link to the complete rule under questions. The link for Steward\'s Corner is here:
https://www.nyra.com/aqueduct/stewards/
Rob,
I posted the stewards explanation. NYRA Stewards,correctly imo, do not want to make anything resembling a marginal DQ. Of course, that gets us into subjective territory. Critics of stewards are generally poorly opinionated, there will always be close calls which can be seen the other way.
NY stewards are not taking down no contact herders/seam closers unless the horses are head bobbing close at the wire.
Sorry for the takedown, we all hope to be on the right side of the decision. Personally agree with stewards 90% of the time, sure others disagree.My peeve would be to call the same foul a dq or not all of the time....be consistent.
Mike
I\'ve been biting my tongue, because a) I\'m involved with the horse that should have been put up, and b) that was as clear a foul as I (and apparently everyone else, not just here) have seen.
But aside from it being a foul EVEN if you need to determine that it DID affect the outcome, the rule is ridiculous, for the same reason it was ridiculous in the BC Classic a couple years ago. If you have to determine that it DID affect the outcome-- not COULD HAVE-- there\'s no such thing as a foul early in the race. If someone impedes a 1/5 shot going to the first turn and he loses the rider, you can\'t KNOW he would have hit the board. So by their definition it\'s not a foul.
Absurd.
Just saw on Twitter that I Ortiz has been suspended five days for this.
Kinda like the NBA saying Harden\'s last minute game winner should have been called off.
The damage is done. How about suspending the stewards. No backups?
Question is whether Serling\'s head will explode more than mine.
No consolation but fairly often a jockey will
be fined/and or get days even when the stewards don\'t make a dq.All steward rulings are posted on NYRA website.
Talk about pouring salt in the wounds.
Stewards just suspended Irad for 5 days for the ride on the horse that they thought didn\'t commit a foul...
Really..
then why suspend the jockey?
Look at Miff\'s first post in this string. The stewards said the foul did not change the order of finish.
Just noticed this at the bottom of the chart for the race:
HAVING RECEIVED A PROTEST FROM THE TRAINER OF HORSE CLIFTON PLEASURE WHO FINISHED 2ND, FOR THE NON- DISQUALIFICATION OF YAKOV, BOTH HORSES ARE DECLARED WINNERS UNTIL THE MATTER IS ADJUDICATED BY THE NEW YORK STATE GAMING COMMISSION.
BitPlayer Wrote:
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> Just noticed this at the bottom of the chart for
> the race:
>
> HAVING RECEIVED A PROTEST FROM THE TRAINER OF
> HORSE CLIFTON PLEASURE WHO FINISHED 2ND, FOR THE
> NON- DISQUALIFICATION OF YAKOV, BOTH HORSES ARE
> DECLARED WINNERS UNTIL THE MATTER IS ADJUDICATED
> BY THE NEW YORK STATE GAMING COMMISSION.
Yes just saw this. What happens to purse money? If issue is not quickly
resolved, will both horses be weight penalized in their next start? If my
horse was weight penalized but no purse had as of yet been distributed, I
definitely would be calling former agent/media personality/racetrack barrister
Drew Mollica to address this inequity.
BitPlayer Wrote:
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> My take: Desormeaux had straightened his horse out
> before there was contact. The other horse then
> came over on him and initiated the contact.
Thank you for the response. You could be right. I will need to look at the replay again. However, my recollection was that Desormeaux\'s horse was on the rail (or close to it) and came 5 or 6 paths wide to engage the horse running on the crown. My recollection (which could be faulty) was that the horse on the crown was bracing/preparing for the contact that was coming. While that may have looked like initiative, it seems somewhat justified with Desormeaux\'s horse making such a starkly sharply aggressive move towards him. Is a horse supposed to check and give up the path because somebody comes straight for him? Remember also the difference between slo mo and real time and a huge horse clearly coming out with mal-intent. Anyway, I do not think there was any question that even if the 7 horse defensively initiated the contact, Desormeaux\'s horse definitely pushed back and there can\'t be reasonable argument about which horse got the worst of it. Now, I agree that the 7 was not likely to beat Desormeaux\'s horse, but I find it hard to believe that he would have been caught for the DH for place if he had not had that trouble.
someone has got to explain to me why Yakov should have been Taking dowm , He never touched clifton pleasure , Yakov was drifting to the right but so was cliftons pleasure and ortiz was whipping to the left , I did bet Yakov and when I saw the replay there was never a doubt in my mind that he was stayin up.My Beef today is I hit the Pik 5at the Big A Prices were $5.80 ,$20.60 ,$ 3.80, $12.80 ,and 35$ and it only paid $3300 for .5 But that shouda been alot more
Phlywheel
Didn\'t it happen once that the stewards DQ\'ed the wrong horse at Saratoga and they were exiled to Finger Lakes? Maybe 20 years or more ago.