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Title: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: richiebee on April 09, 2016, 08:22:17 PM
... for giving me a great thrill thinking that was Adventist coming up the rail
in the Wood and almost nipping the TAP winner.

Larry the Screamer just having a Steve Harvey moment, I guess better today than a
month from now.

Concentrate more on the action and less on how your call is going to sound for
the stallion commercials.

Recurring reminder: If we need you to scream to make the finish of a race
exciting, we didn\'t bet enough.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: Strike on April 09, 2016, 08:48:37 PM
We have all had embarrassing moments...but...wow. As bad as it was, it would have been a disaster if the 81-1 actually won and he called the wrong horse in the biggest race at Aqueduct. He must have had a wager on the other horse. I saw Trevor do that once or twice but not in a race like the Wood.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: TGJB on April 09, 2016, 09:03:55 PM
Guy named Durkin did it with a horse called Mine That Bird...
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: Strike on April 09, 2016, 09:44:57 PM
I just watched the Mine That Bird KY Derby. It wasn\'t quite as bad as the Collmus call today. Durkin was focused on Pioneerof The Nile and fell asleep when MTB \"flew\" on the rail. I didn\'t remember him winning by that much. He acted really surprised and made the winning call after the race was essentially over but didn\'t call the wrong horse\'s name like Collmus did. Tough business. When Deputy Commander won the Travers, Durkin told us he guessed in his call he beat Behrens by an inch and held his breath until the final decision was posted after 5 minutes. He said he would have felt terrible if he called the wrong winner in such a big race.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: jbelfior on April 09, 2016, 10:01:31 PM
Anyone care to explain how the 3 ran second in the Wood other than I needed Adventist to run 2nd?

Good Luck,
Joe B
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: P-Dub on April 09, 2016, 11:53:24 PM
Not only did he call the wrong horse, he didn\'t realize the mistake until after the race.  He called him incorrectly 5 times and did it the entire final 1/8. Blue saddle cloth vs white saddle cloth. Wow, that was as bad as it gets.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: TGJB on April 10, 2016, 04:01:50 AM
The same way Arnold\'s filly won the Ashland.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: FrankD. on April 10, 2016, 04:08:06 AM
TGJB up and posting at 7:00 AM, What is the world coming to?
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: belmont3 on April 10, 2016, 05:37:42 AM
Funny game.
Had 4 monitors going playing multiple tracks + the Masters on TV.
As Collmus is calling the stretch run of the Wood,  I see the 3 (the fake Adventist) and knowing I bet the 2 (the real Adventist) ....
I start cussing myself out for punching the wrong number. No blaming the tellers in LRD!
If this makes little or no sense.......don\'t worry....neither did that race.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: jbelfior on April 10, 2016, 05:54:10 AM
We\'re both smiling with the pool 3 Exaggerator ticket in our pockets.

Let me warn you, however, that yesterday in the span of one hour i was split by an 81-1 shot and needed an 82-1 (yep, I keyed Crafty\'s Way in the last at Kee.)I mean how many people walk into Bob\'s Burgers when they\'re out of them.

Good Luck,
Joe B.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: Edgorman on April 10, 2016, 06:06:17 AM
Race callers don\'t identify horses by saddle cloth colors.
They memorize the silks worn by the jocks.
I\'m not a fan of Collmus, but I think it is a very difficult profession.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: miff on April 10, 2016, 06:29:30 AM
TAP reportedly let out a groan when Arnold filly ran past Rachel\'s Valentina, who ran much the best fighting Carina Mia then holding Cat Sophia off.

Guess Songbird like 2-5 in Oaks after another unchallenged walkover
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: Michael D. on April 10, 2016, 07:38:32 AM
the guy bashed himself on national tv after making the mistake.

piling on a guy who just bashed himself on national tv probably isn\'t the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: P-Dub on April 10, 2016, 10:47:39 AM
Edgorman Wrote:
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> Race callers don\'t identify horses by saddle cloth
> colors.
> They memorize the silks worn by the jocks.
> I\'m not a fan of Collmus, but I think it is a very
> difficult profession.

I\'m aware they identify silks, its easier to see than saddle cloths which are often obstructed.

However, going down the stretch, anyone watching could clearly see the bright blue saddle cloth.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: Strike on April 10, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
P-Dub Wrote:
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> Edgorman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Race callers don\'t identify horses by saddle
> cloth
> > colors.
> > They memorize the silks worn by the jocks.
> > I\'m not a fan of Collmus, but I think it is a
> very
> > difficult profession.
>
> I\'m aware they identify silks, its easier to see
> than saddle cloths which are often obstructed.
>
> However, going down the stretch, anyone watching
> could clearly see the bright blue saddle cloth.

For those of us in the color-blind club the #3 (number) was pretty obvious as well. Collmus must have been looking at the numbers -- saddle cloths were so different -- white/bright blue. #3 was on the rail and the #2 was 5 wide. He realized his mistake when announcing the show horse who he just called as the place horse. Not piling on. I feel sorry for the guy. His pre-race handicapping probably got in the way not thinking an 81-1 would make the outcome close. Both horses were also moving from behind.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: jerry on April 10, 2016, 11:18:52 AM
He might have missed him but at least he didn\'t call him by the wrong name. This was beyond embarrassment. Where do they find these guys and what do they do for a day job?
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: jerry on April 10, 2016, 11:22:20 AM
And the 3.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: jerry on April 10, 2016, 11:23:37 AM
True, but quietly replacing him would be.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: Dick Powell on April 10, 2016, 04:15:45 PM
I had a colossal screw up on TV one morning at Saratoga. To make it worse, it was being simulcast on HRTV nation-wide. I wanted to go on the next day and apologize and the a-hole from NYCOTB TV didn\'t want me to. The next day, I told Joanne Jones that I wanted to apologize and don\'t care what he says. Joanne was good with it, I apologized for it and life went on. The feeling of dread is indescribable in it intensity. I feel bad for Larry. I had Adventist as a best bet and knew I was on the far outside and could not be the horse that he was calling on the rail. I give him credit for fessing up when he realized it.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: jma11473 on April 10, 2016, 05:44:15 PM
Strike Wrote:
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> P-Dub Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Edgorman Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Race callers don\'t identify horses by saddle
> > cloth
> > > colors.
> > > They memorize the silks worn by the jocks.
> > > I\'m not a fan of Collmus, but I think it is a
> > very
> > > difficult profession.
> >
> > I\'m aware they identify silks, its easier to
> see
> > than saddle cloths which are often obstructed.
> >
> > However, going down the stretch, anyone
> watching
> > could clearly see the bright blue saddle cloth.
>
> For those of us in the color-blind club the #3
> (number) was pretty obvious as well. Collmus must
> have been looking at the numbers -- saddle cloths
> were so different -- white/bright blue. #3 was on
> the rail and the #2 was 5 wide. He realized his
> mistake when announcing the show horse who he just
> called as the place horse. Not piling on. I feel
> sorry for the guy. His pre-race handicapping
> probably got in the way not thinking an 81-1 would
> make the outcome close. Both horses were also
> moving from behind.

Except, again, announcers identify the horses by silks, not numbers or saddlecloths. Nothing to do with color blind or pre-race handicapping. Dirty and similar silks and a horse sneaking up the rail and he screwed up. He owned up to it. Life goes on.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: Strike on April 10, 2016, 06:02:39 PM
Fair comment about the similarity in silks even though I previously mentioned my color blind handicap -- the silks were somewhat similar for the #\'s 2 and 3...

Durkin said he did 4 things to prepare for the race day calls --

1) Handicap the races.
2) Think of something to say.
3) Memorize the silks.
4) Pray he would not mess up.

You are correct -- he did not look at saddle cloths or numbers.
Title: Re: Thanks to Larry Collmus
Post by: jerry on April 10, 2016, 08:02:26 PM
No knock against Larry\'s character, just his race calling. And true, one mistake doesn\'t make a career. I just don\'t like his style. Too much commentary. Just call the race and let us deal with the thrill.